Inside Anthropic's Standoff with the Pentagon and What It Means for Military AI

In this episode, we break down the escalating Anthropic-Pentagon clash, including the best arguments for either side, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's ultimatum, and the potential consequences of designating Anthropic as a "supply chain risk" or invoking the Defense Production Act (00:34). We then discuss several recent stories that are sparking discourse about the economic impacts of AI (28:58) and a senior government official's claim that DeepSeek's forthcoming model was trained using Nvidia's Blackwell chips and frontier model distillation (45:51).

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Gregory C. Allen

Gregory C. Allen

Former Senior Adviser, Wadhwani AI Center
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Matt Mande

Matt Mande

Former Research Assistant, Wadhwani AI Center